Natalie Tran

In a world obsessed with AI tools, automation, and efficiency, one critical asset is being overlooked - human IP. In this episode, Natalie sits down with Ali Uren, founder of Kiikstart, to explore why organisations and professionals are unknowingly losing their most valuable intelligence and how to turn lived experience into a compounding advantage. While knowledge is now abundant and easily accessible, experience, judgement, and adversity-driven insight remain uniquely human and increasingly valuable. 💡 What You’ll Learn Why organisations are quietly losing competitive advantage through “knowledge evaporation” What Human IP actually is and why it matters more than ever The shift from traditional ROI to Return on Skills (ROS) How the Circular Workplace™ transforms experience into lasting organisational intelligence Why high-performing professionals often struggle to articulate their true value The concept of Adversity Intelligence (AQ) and how to turn setbacks into strategic advantage 🔁 Key Themes 1. The AI Illusion Most organisations are investing in tools — but overlooking the human capability required to create real value. 2. Experience Is Not Automatically an Asset If it’s not captured, articulated, and leveraged — it disappears. 3. Return on Skills > Return on Investment Future-ready careers and organisations will be measured by how effectively they compound capability, not just output. 4. Adversity as an Advantage Setbacks, career pivots, and challenges can become your strongest differentiator — if positioned correctly. ⚡ Practical Takeaways Start documenting your lived experience as assets, not just history Build a “circular career” where every role compounds your advantage Shift from listing skills → articulating outcomes, insights, and patterns Use visibility (LinkedIn, content, conversations) to signal your Human IP You can connect with Ali here... Guest links: Website - https://kickstart.com LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ali Guest resources: Ali's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ali Kickstart Website - https://kickstart.com Circular Workplace Framework - https://kickstart.com/circular-workplace Adversity Intelligence Concept - https://kickstart.com/adversity-intelligence Connect with Natalie... Connect with me on LinkedIn: https://au.linkedin.com/in/natalie-tran-coach-melbourne If you need career and business support in your transition, book a free exploratory chat with me: https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/discovery Check out my Notion "9-5 TO BIZ TRANSITION ROADMAP" https://www.notion.so/9-5-TO-BIZ-TRANSITION-ROADMAP-44e6ed2575ba4581ae26e8e55350b118 Check out my Notion "Optimise Your LinkedIn Playbook & Checklist" https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/linkedin-playbook Check out my other FREE CLASSES and resources here <a href="https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/free-courses" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.c

Do you struggle with being seen as an authority in your field? You're not alone. Building expert authority isn’t just about credentials. It’s about connecting authentically with your audience and showcasing your unique value. In this insightful interview, Christine Blosdale, The Expert Authority Coach™, shares practical strategies for building authentic authority, overcoming imposter syndrome, and leveraging podcasting and AI to enhance visibility and credibility. Perfect for mid-career professionals and entrepreneurs looking to elevate their personal brand. You can connect with Christine here... Guest links: Website - https://christineblosdale.com LinkedIn - https://linkedin.com/in/christineblosdale Podcast - https://christineblosdale.com/podcasts Guest resources: Christine Blosdale's Website - https://christineblosdale.com Podcasting Resources by Christine Blosdale - https://christineblosdale.com/podcasts AI Tools for Content Creation - https://chat.openai.com Book: Building a Personal Brand - https://www.amazon.com/s?k=building+a+personal+brand LinkedIn Profile of Christine Blosdale - https://linkedin.com/in/christineblosdale Connect with Natalie... Connect with me on LinkedIn: https://au.linkedin.com/in/natalie-tran-coach-melbourne If you need career and business support in your transition, book a free exploratory chat with me: https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/discovery Check out my Notion "9-5 TO BIZ TRANSITION ROADMAP" https://www.notion.so/9-5-TO-BIZ-TRANSITION-ROADMAP-44e6ed2575ba4581ae26e8e55350b118 Check out my Notion "Optimise Your LinkedIn Playbook & Checklist" https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/linkedin-playbook Check out my other FREE CLASSES and resources here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/free-courses You can also sign up to my COURSES here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/courses Send me a DM on INSTAGRAM @transitionwithpurpose Connect with me on LinkedIn: https://au.linkedin.com/in/natalie-tran-coach-melbourne Real Estate by LesFM | https://lesfm.net/corporate-background-music/ Music promoted by

In the final episode of Season 4 for 2025 of the Transition with Purpose podcast, I sit down with Sam Silva, a digital and social media strategist and founder of Dusol Australia and My Vivid Melbourne. We discuss Sam's journey from facing an unexpected redundancy to launching his own social media agency, the importance of networking, and the challenges of adapting to a new country. Sam shares insights on building a personal brand, networking, the significance of mindset, and the core values that drive his business. The conversation also delves into DuSol's unique offerings for small to medium businesses and the evolving landscape of social media marketing. Sam's journey will inspire you to end 2025 strong with conviction that you can do it and to go out there and make it happen. You can connect with Sam here... LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nsamsilva/ Instagram: http://instagram.com/dusolaus https://www.instagram.com/myvividmelbourne/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DuSolAus/ https://www.facebook.com/myvividmelbourne Websites: https://dusol.com.au/ https://myvividmelbourne.com.au/ Connect with Natalie... Connect with me on LinkedIn: https://au.linkedin.com/in/natalie-tran-coach-melbourne If you need career and business support in your transition, book a free exploratory chat with me: https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/discovery Check out my new Notion "9-5 TO BIZ TRANSITION ROADMAP" https://www.notion.so/9-5-TO-BIZ-TRANSITION-ROADMAP-44e6ed2575ba4581ae26e8e55350b118 Check out my new Notion "Optimise Your LinkedIn Playbook & Checklist" https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/linkedin-playbook Check out my other FREE CLASSES and resources here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/free-courses You can also sign up to my COURSES here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/courses Send me a DM on INSTAGRAM @transitionwithpurpose Connect with me on LinkedIn: https://au.linkedin.com/in/natalie-tran-coach-melbourne Real Estate by LesFM | https://lesfm.net/corporate-background-music/ Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/ Creative Commons CC BY 3.0 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/

In this episode, Natalie and String explore the journey of personal and professional growth, touching on pivotal life events, the importance of creativity, and the challenges of building a personal brand. String shares her experiences with resilience, navigating career choices, and the impact of her brother's passing on her drive to creating her own path. They discuss the significance of authenticity in branding, the challenges of visibility in today's digital landscape, and the lessons learned from personal experiences, including the journey into motherhood. The conversation concludes with valuable advice and insights into creating a sustainable content strategy. Takeaways: Losing a loved one can drive you to create your own path. Resilience is built through personal challenges and experiences. Creativity is essential for personal and professional growth. Branding should focus on authenticity rather than polish. Traveling can be a transformative experience for self-discovery. Understanding your financial mindset is crucial for success. Visibility and influence are key in today's digital world. Personal branding should connect with your core theme. Overcoming fears around public speaking can enhance content creation. Building a supportive community is vital for growth. You can connect with String at.. Website: stringstory.co LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stringstory/ Email: stringstory@gmail.com Insta: https://www.instagram.com/stringstory/?hl=en Connect with Natalie... Check out my new Notion "9-5 TO BIZ TRANSITION ROADMAP" https://www.notion.so/9-5-TO-BIZ-TRANSITION-ROADMAP-44e6ed2575ba4581ae26e8e55350b118 Check out my new Notion "Optimise Your LinkedIn Playbook & Checklist" https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/linkedin-playbook Check out my other FREE CLASSES and resources here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/free-courses You can also sign up to my COURSES here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/courses Send me a DM on INSTAGRAM @transitionwithpurpose Connect with me on LinkedIn: https://au.linkedin.com/in/natalie-tran-coach-melbourne Real Estate by LesFM | https://lesfm.net/corporate-background-music/ Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/ Creative Commons CC BY 3.0 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Natalie interviews Dickie Currer, founder of Hype Man Media. They discuss Dickie's journey from being a lawyer in the UK to an entrepreneur in Australia, highlighting the impact of travel on his independence and personal growth. The conversation delves into the challenges of diversity and funding in the startup ecosystem, particularly for women, and how Dickie's personal brand evolved into a successful media company. In this conversation, the speakers explore the concept of unfair advantages in personal branding, the importance of reflection and feedback in personal development, and the balance between strengths and weaknesses. They discuss resilience as a muscle that is built through experiences and the influence of key figures in their lives. The conversation also touches on the power of saying no and the impact it can have on personal and professional growth. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Transition with Purpose Podcast 02:39 Dickie Currer: Journey Through Travel and Independence 07:40 Overcoming Challenges: From Lawyer to Entrepreneur 12:01 Navigating Privilege and Diversity in Business 15:31 The State of Innovation and Funding for Women 17:04 The Birth of Hype Man Media 20:40 Identifying Your Unfair Advantage 23:39 Building a Personal Brand 25:11 Strengths and Weaknesses in Personal Development 30:18 The Importance of Resilience 34:08 Influences and Inspirations 36:54 The Power of Saying No You can connect with Dickie at.. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dickiecurrer/ Website: Hypeman.com.au Instagram: @hypeman Newsletters: https://hype-man-media.beehiiv.com/subscribe Connect with Natalie... Check out my new Notion "9-5 TO BIZ TRANSITION ROADMAP" https://www.notion.so/9-5-TO-BIZ-TRANSITION-ROADMAP-44e6ed2575ba4581ae26e8e55350b118 Check out my new Notion "Optimise Your LinkedIn Playbook & Checklist" https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/linkedin-playbook Check out my other FREE CLASSES and resources here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/free-courses You can also sign up to my COURSES here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/courses Send me a DM on INSTAGRAM @transitionwithpurpose Connect with me on LinkedIn: https://au.linkedin.com/in/natalie-tran-coach-melbourne Real Estate by LesFM | https://lesfm.net/corporate-background-music/ Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/ Creative Commons CC BY 3.0 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this short personal "pep talk" episode, Natalie emphasizes the importance of recognizing that there is no universal timeline for success and encourages listeners to embrace their unique journeys. She discusses the significance of taking small, intentional steps towards big changes, trusting the process even when it feels chaotic, and the power of breathing to ground oneself in moments of uncertainty. The episode serves as a reminder that every experience contributes to personal development and that it's essential to move forward with grace and purpose. Takeaways: You are not behind; there is no universal timeline. Comparison often distorts our perception of progress. Small steps can lead to significant transformations. Trust the process, even when it feels messy. Doubt is temporary and can redirect you positively. Breathing helps acknowledge the present moment. Focus on one small action to move forward. Every experience shapes your unique path. You don't need to rush; take your time. Keep moving forward with purpose and intention. Chapters: Start Navigating Career Transitions 03:11 Embracing Small Steps for Big Changes 05:51 Trusting the Process and Breathing Through Change Connect with Natalie... Check out my new Notion "9-5 TO BIZ TRANSITION ROADMAP" https://www.notion.so/9-5-TO-BIZ-TRANSITION-ROADMAP-44e6ed2575ba4581ae26e8e55350b118 Check out my new Notion "Optimise Your LinkedIn Playbook & Checklist" https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/linkedin-playbook Check out my other FREE CLASSES and resources here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/free-courses You can also sign up to my COURSES here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/courses Send me a DM on INSTAGRAM @transitionwithpurpose Connect with me on LinkedIn: https://au.linkedin.com/in/natalie-tran-coach-melbourne Real Estate by LesFM | https://lesfm.net/corporate-background-music/ Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/ Creative Commons CC BY 3.0 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ready to set goals that actually stick? Forget rigid plans - this is goal-setting, redefined. In this first guest podcast for 2025, Natalie and Stephanie Nguyen of Master Of Achievement explore the intricacies of goal setting, emphasising the importance of community, reflection, and a personalised approach to achieving one's aspirations. Stephanie shares her unique goal-setting framework, which prioritises intrinsic motivation and adaptability over rigid structures. They discuss the significance of mindset, the necessity of a supportive environment, and the role of self-compassion in the journey toward personal and professional growth. The episode concludes with insights into Stephanie's upcoming programs and the importance of staying connected to one's mission. Takeaways: Goal setting should be personalized and flexible. Reflection is a crucial part of the goal-setting process. Community support enhances goal achievement. Mindset shifts can transform how we approach tasks. It's important to balance multiple responsibilities effectively. Self-compassion is key to maintaining motivation. Visual reminders can help keep goals front and center. Intrinsic motivation drives sustainable goal achievement. Setting boundaries is essential for managing time and energy. Adapting goals based on personal experiences leads to growth. You can also read below, Natalie's article on how she combines using habits and the 1-3-5 method to set your goals and to make it stick! How to Stay on Track with Your Goals in 2025: Do not spin all your plates at the same time and make your goals part of your daily routines. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-stay-track-your-goals-2025-do-spin-all-plates-same-natalie-tran-3bmfc/?trackingId=pQJw4nf4Rju3KRP5mMOEOA%3D%3D You can connect with Stephanie at....... LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephanienguyenofficial/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/masterofachievement/ Website - www.masterofachievement.com Connect with Natalie... Check out my new Notion "9-5 TO BIZ TRANSITION ROADMAP" https://www.notion.so/9-5-TO-BIZ-TRANSITION-ROADMAP-44e6ed2575ba4581ae26e8e55350b118 Check out my new Notion "Optimise Your LinkedIn Playbook & Checklist" https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/linkedin-playbook Check out my other FREE CLASSES and resources here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/free-courses You can also sign up to my COURSES here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/courses Send me a DM on INSTAGRAM @transitionwithpurpose Connect with me on LinkedIn: <a href="https://au.linkedin.

Welcome to Season 4 2025 and in this episode, Natalie discusses the importance of setting ambitious goals and breaking them down into manageable priorities and tasks. She emphasizes the need for sustainable habits and routines to achieve long-term success, while also addressing the significance of optimizing one's environment and reflecting on progress. The conversation provides actionable strategies for listeners to implement in their goal-setting journey, ensuring they remain motivated and focused throughout the year. Come join Natalie to kick start your 2025 with some tips to create momentum for your goals. See the newsletter on the framework discussed in this episode: How to Stay on Track with Your Goals in 2025: Do not spin all your plates at the same time and make your goals part of your daily routines. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-stay-track-your-goals-2025-do-spin-all-plates-same-natalie-tran-3bmfc/?trackingId=pQJw4nf4Rju3KRP5mMOEOA%3D%3D Connect with Natalie... Check out my new Notion "9-5 TO BIZ TRANSITION ROADMAP" https://www.notion.so/9-5-TO-BIZ-TRANSITION-ROADMAP-44e6ed2575ba4581ae26e8e55350b118 Check out my new Notion "Optimise Your LinkedIn Playbook & Checklist" https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/linkedin-playbook Check out my other FREE CLASSES and resources here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/free-courses You can also sign up to my COURSES here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/courses Send me a DM on INSTAGRAM @transitionwithpurpose Connect with me on LinkedIn: https://au.linkedin.com/in/natalie-tran-coach-melbourne Real Estate by LesFM | https://lesfm.net/corporate-background-music/ Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/ Creative Commons CC BY 3.0 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, we get to hear Lizzie Allen share her insights on leadership, personal branding, and resilience. She discusses her career transitions, the complexities of leadership, and the importance of values and consistency. Lizzie emphasizes the significance of being authentic in personal branding and networking, as well as the necessity of self-care and well-being for leaders. She reflects on her past choices and offers valuable advice for younger generations, encouraging them to pursue their passions and drive their own destinies. Lizzie's LinkedIn profile headline is "...leading a dedicated team who make a difference to people's lives daily..." which gives you a strong indication of the type of leader she is. She's made a number of different career transitions - from executive recruitment through to career coaching, a number of consulting roles and projects that she's taken on, and a general manager leading a team to provide clients with many different talent solutions. Key takeaways from our discussion: Values and consistency are crucial for effective leadership. Personal branding should be authentic and true to oneself. Networking can happen in both formal and informal settings. Self-care is essential for maintaining well-being as a leader. Resilience is about how you respond in the moment. Every experience, good or bad, is a learning opportunity. You must drive your own destiny and not play the blame game. Encourage younger generations to pursue their passions. You can connect with Lizzie at: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/lizzieallenaustralia Connect with Natalie... Check out my new Notion "9-5 TO BIZ TRANSITION ROADMAP" https://www.notion.so/9-5-TO-BIZ-TRANSITION-ROADMAP-44e6ed2575ba4581ae26e8e55350b118 Check out my new Notion "Optimise Your LinkedIn Playbook & Checklist" https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/linkedin-playbook Check out my other FREE CLASSES and resources here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/free-courses You can also sign up to my COURSES here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/courses Send me a DM on INSTAGRAM @transitionwithpurpose Connect with me on LinkedIn: https://au.linkedin.com/in/natalie-tran-coach-melbourne Real Estate by LesFM | https://lesfm.net/corporate-background-music/ Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/ Creative Commons CC BY 3.0 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sairan Aqrawi shares her journey of having a portfolio career, a successful engineering career and a coach and mentor. She discusses the integration of her professional and personal passions, the importance of facing fears, and the value of self-compassion. Sairan reflects on her immigration experience, the challenges of adapting to a new culture, and the significance of resilience in overcoming obstacles. Throughout the discussion, she emphasises the need for community support and the importance of allowing individuals to pursue their own paths without societal pressure. In this conversation, Sairan shares her insights on the wisdom gained through age, the importance of choosing battles wisely, and how midlife can be a powerful time for personal and professional growth. She emphasises the significance of self-care practices, such as writing and taking time for oneself, as essential tools for healing and maintaining inner peace. Sairan also discusses her transition to business coaching, focusing on empowering others, particularly women in tech, to realize their potential and navigate their careers effectively. You can connect with Sairan at: LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sairan-aqrawi-m-sc-993bb61a3 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sairanaqrawi/?hl=en Connect with Natalie... Check out my new Notion "9-5 TO BIZ TRANSITION ROADMAP" https://www.notion.so/9-5-TO-BIZ-TRANSITION-ROADMAP-44e6ed2575ba4581ae26e8e55350b118 Check out my new Notion "Optimise Your LinkedIn Playbook & Checklist" https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/linkedin-playbook Check out my other FREE CLASSES and resources here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/free-courses You can also sign up to my COURSES here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/courses Send me a DM on INSTAGRAM @transitionwithpurpose Connect with me on LinkedIn: https://au.linkedin.com/in/natalie-tran-coach-melbourne Real Estate by LesFM | https://lesfm.net/corporate-background-music/ Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/ Creative Commons CC BY 3.0 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this engaging conversation, Anna Roberts shares her journey from a corporate career to becoming a coach, emphasizing the emotional challenges and mindset shifts involved in such transitions. She discusses the importance of authenticity, connection, and the evolving nature of purpose in life, particularly for expats navigating new environments. The dialogue highlights the significance of mindset in achieving fulfillment and the role of coaching in helping individuals align with their true selves. Anna and Natalie explore the themes of purpose, resilience, self-care, and personal growth. They discuss the importance of understanding one's values and how this knowledge influences life choices. Anna shares her definition of resilience, emphasizing the need to step back and reconnect with one's core motivations during challenging times. The discussion also highlights the significance of self-care practices, including gratitude and play, in maintaining mental and emotional well-being. As they reflect on their journeys, both speakers acknowledge the lessons learned from past experiences and the importance of being present in the moment. The conversation concludes with Anna's heartfelt message to her younger self, encouraging her to embrace joy and trust the process of life. You can connect with Anna at: Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-roberts10/ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/annarobertscoaching/ Connect with Natalie... Check out my new Notion "9-5 TO BIZ TRANSITION ROADMAP" https://www.notion.so/9-5-TO-BIZ-TRANSITION-ROADMAP-44e6ed2575ba4581ae26e8e55350b118 Check out my new Notion "Optimise Your LinkedIn Playbook & Checklist" https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/linkedin-playbook Check out my other FREE CLASSES and resources here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/free-courses You can also sign up to my COURSES here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/courses Send me a DM on INSTAGRAM @transitionwithpurpose Connect with me on LinkedIn: https://au.linkedin.com/in/natalie-tran-coach-melbourne Real Estate by LesFM | https://lesfm.net/corporate-background-music/ Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/ Creative Commons CC BY 3.0 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of the TWP podcast, Jamie Kritharas shares his journey from his early signs of entrepreneurial spirit as a child to his successful music career and eventual transition into running an agency. He emphasizes the importance of backing oneself, learning through experience, and evolving one's purpose over time. Jamie also discusses the challenges faced in business and the mindset required to overcome them, highlighting that resilience and continuous learning are key to success. He discusses his personal approach to networking, emphasizing the value of building genuine relationships over traditional networking events. Jamie reflects on his past decisions, highlighting the importance of self-belief and conviction in achieving success. He also shares his daily routines and self-care practices, which help him maintain clarity and well-being as an entrepreneur. Finally, he defines resilience as the ability to keep moving forward despite setbacks and introduces his new product aimed at helping startups succeed in their marketing efforts. You can connect with Jamie at: Creative Performance Vault: https://defiantdigital.com.au/the-vault/ LinkedIn: Linkedin profile Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jamiekritharas/?hl=en Podcasts: Podcast Episodes & Public Speaking Portfolio Website: https://defiantdigital.com.au/ Connect with Natalie... Check out my new Notion "9-5 TO BIZ TRANSITION ROADMAP" https://www.notion.so/9-5-TO-BIZ-TRANSITION-ROADMAP-44e6ed2575ba4581ae26e8e55350b118 Check out my new Notion "Optimise Your LinkedIn Playbook & Checklist" https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/linkedin-playbook Check out my other FREE CLASSES and resources here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/free-courses You can also sign up to my COURSES here https://www.transitionwithpurpose.com.au/courses Send me a DM on INSTAGRAM @transitionwithpurpose Connect with me on LinkedIn: https://au.linkedin.com/in/natalie-tran-coach-melbourne Real Estate by LesFM | https://lesfm.net/corporate-background-music/ Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/ Creative Commons CC BY 3.0 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.