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Mike Krieger is the head of Anthropic Labs and co-founder of Instagram. Krieger joins Big Technology Podcast live from the Big Technology AI Summit to discuss what it's like inside Anthropic the week the government forced the company to pull its frontier models, Fable and Mythos, off the market. Tune in to hear Krieger describe how working with Fable changed the way he builds — queuing up a full night of work before bed and waking to find it finished in an hour — why he insists Anthropic's safety warnings are material rather than marketing, and how Anthropic navigates being both a platform and a product as it competes with the companies building on top of it. Wired senior correspondent Lauren Goode joins as a co-interviewer. Hit play for a rare look inside the lab from the person building Anthropic's next breakout product. --- AI Agent documentary: https://www.gravitee.io/ai-agent-documentary Enjoying Big Technology Podcast? Please rate us five stars ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ in your podcast app of choice. Want a discount for Big Technology on Substack + Discord? Here’s 25% off for the first year: https://www.bigtechnology.com/subscribe?coupon=0843016b Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mike Krieger built one of the most consequential consumer apps of the last two decades as the cofounder of Instagram. He is now at the frontier of AI-native product development as head of Anthropic Labs, the team responsible for figuring out what the most capable AI models can do in the hands of real builders. When Krieger first got access to Fable 5 months before its public release, it was exciting and disorienting. “I feel like a total newbie again,” he remembers telling his team. The way he’d been thinking about productivity, strategy, and time management was out of date. The model had outpaced his workflows. Dan Shipper talked with Krieger for AI & I about what it looks like to build with a model as capable as Fable 5, including the new rhythms, challenges, and possibilities it reveals. If you found this episode interesting, please like, subscribe, comment, and share! To hear more from Dan Shipper: Subscribe to Every: https://every.to/subscribe Follow him on X: https://twitter.com/danshipper Get started with Braintrust at https://www.braintrust.dev/ Timestamps: 0:03 Introduction 1:48 How Fable completely reshaped Mike's workflow 4:48 When to use Sonnet versus Fable 10:06 What the media tracker Mike built over a weekend reveals about agent-native architecture 15:00 The cost to build has collapsed 19:03 Is software engineering over? 21:48 How Anthropic's engineering teams work today 38:39 The mechanics of verification 44:39 What people should use the model to build 47:24 Dynamic workflows Links to resources mentioned in the episode: Mike Krieger on X: https://x.com/mikeyk Anthropic Labs: https://www.anthropic.com Claude Code: https://claude.ai/code Every: https://every.to

Mike Krieger built one of the most consequential consumer apps of the last two decades as the cofounder of Instagram. He is now at the frontier of AI-native product development as head of Anthropic Labs, the team responsible for figuring out what the most capable AI models can do in the hands of real builders.When Krieger first got access to Fable 5 months before its public release, it was exciting and disorienting. “I feel like a total newbie again,” he remembers telling his team. The way he’d been thinking about productivity, strategy, and time management was out of date. The model had outpaced his workflows.Dan Shipper talked with Krieger for AI & I about what it looks like to build with a model as capable as Fable 5, including the new rhythms, challenges, and possibilities it reveals.If you found this episode interesting, please like, subscribe, comment, and share!To hear more from Dan Shipper:Subscribe to Every: https://every.to/subscribeFollow him on X: https://twitter.com/danshipperGet started with Braintrust at https://www.braintrust.dev/ Timestamps:0:03 Introduction1:48 How Fable completely reshaped Mike's workflow4:48 When to use Sonnet versus Fable10:06 What the media tracker Mike built over a weekend reveals about agent-native architecture15:00 The cost to build has collapsed19:03 Is software engineering over?21:48 How Anthropic's engineering teams work today38:39 The mechanics of verification44:39 What people should use the model to build47:24 Dynamic workflowsLinks to resources mentioned in the episode:Mike Krieger on X: https://x.com/mikeykAnthropic Labs: https://www.anthropic.comClaude Code: https://claude.ai/codeEvery: https://every.to Timestamps:0:03 Introduction1:48 How Fable completely reshaped Mike's workflow4:48 When to use Sonnet vs. Fable10:06 What the media tracker Mike built over a weekend reveals about agent-native architecture15:00 The cost to build has collapsed19:03 Is software engineering over?21:48 How Anthropic's engineering teams work today38:39 The mechanics of verification44:39 What people should use the model to build47:24 Dynamic workflowsLinks to resources mentioned in the episode:Mike Krieger on X: https://x.com/mikeykAnthropic Labs: https://www.anthropic.comClaude Code: https://claude.ai/codeEvery: https://every.to

Breakout products rarely hinge on a single moment of luck. They’re shaped by countless decisions — what to prioritize, what to cut, and how deeply you understand the people you’re building for. Few builders have navigated those decisions at the scale of Mike Krieger , co-founder of Instagram and now Chief Product Officer at Anthropic . Instagram reshaped how billions communicate visually. Today, Mike is helping redefine how we interact with technology again — this time through one of the world’s leading AI assistants. At first glance, building a global social network and building Claude might seem worlds apart. In practice, the parallels run deep. In this episode of Building One , host Tomer Cohen talks with Mike about scaling, knowing when to pivot, and why the rise of AI is transforming the craft of product-building. Tomer and Mike discuss: The inflection point that turned Instagram into a global phenomenon — and the crisis that sparked it Why Mike decided to shut down Artifact, and the lesson he believes every founder should know about when to stop vs. persevere The surprising similarities between building Instagram and building Claude How working at Anthropic changed his thinking about product design and user interfaces And so much more This conversation is for anyone building products, leading teams, or shaping AI-powered experiences — and for every builder who believes that great products come from clarity, intuition, and the willingness to evolve. Follow ⁠Tomer Cohen⁠ on LinkedIn and check out his newsletter, ⁠Building LinkedIn⁠ . Follow Mike Krieger on Linkedin.

Mike Krieger is the chief product officer at Anthropic and co-founder of Instagram. Krieger joins Big Technology Podcast to discuss Anthropic's Sonnet 4.5 launch and how the company's been able to speed up AI model development. Tune in to hear how Anthropic is using internal tools to move fast, where the next generations of model improvements will look like, and whether model orchestration will be the core differentiator between labs. We also cover how AI development compares to social media, whether AI content will ever take off, and enterprise AI's path ahead. --- Want a discount for Big Technology on Substack + Discord? Here’s 25% off for the first year: https://www.bigtechnology.com/subscribe?coupon=0843016b Enjoying Big Technology Podcast? Please rate us five stars ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ in your podcast app of choice. Questions? Feedback? Write to: bigtechnologypodcast@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, we dive into Kevin’s recent column about how A.I. is affecting the job market for new graduates, and debate whether the job apocalypse is already here for entry-level work. Then Mike Krieger joins us to discuss the new Claude 4 model, the future of work and the online chatter over whether an A.I. system could blackmail you. And finally, it’s time to open up the case files for another round of Hard Fork Crimes Division. Guest: Mike Krieger, chief product officer at Anthropic Additional Reading: For Some Recent Graduates, the A.I. Job Apocalypse May Already Be Here Another Suspect Is Charged in Bitcoin Kidnapping and Torture Case Elizabeth Holmes’s Partner Has a New Blood-Testing Start-Up We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com . Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok . Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher . For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.