Coleman Hughes

Is America’s national wealth built on slavery? Are disparities between races today attributable to past injustices? Will we ever overcome race politics? These difficult questions are at the heart of Coleman Hughes’ new course at the University of Austin titled “The Legacy of Slavery.” Coleman is one of the clearest voices confronting race-essentialism in America today. He’s the author of The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America , host of the Conversations with Coleman podcast, and a visiting professor at the University of Austin . In this episode, Coleman takes us behind the scenes of his new UATX course, where he examines the two opposing philosophies that emerged from the civil rights era: Dr. King’s colorblind vision and Derrick Bell’s Critical Race Theory. He breaks these down into two camps -- minimalist and maximalist -- and explains how he equips students to weigh the merits of each side. He contrasts the UATX approach, where Thomas Sowell versus Ta-Nehisi Coates takes center stage, to his time at Columbia University and its obsession with racial grievances. Then we dive into a few legacy debates: Is America’s wealth due to slavery? Is the collapse of the two-parent black family a result of past injustice? Finally, Coleman lays out three steps toward an optimistic vision for race in America: get race out of the law (end affirmative action), stop programming children to see race, and foster a growing economy with opportunity for all. 00:00 Episode intro 01:40 Teaching the Legacy of Slavery 06:20 Coleman’s journey from Columbia to UATX 08:30 Dr. King vs Derrick Bell 11:20 Racial disparities by IQ and salary 13:00 Thomas Sowell & the Real History of Slavery 19:00 America’s Founding hypocrisy 24:00 Will the Left cancel Dr. King? 26:20 Understanding the 1619 Project 30:25 Breakdown of the black family 37:20 Is America wealthy because of slavery? 43:50 Are you worried about woke AI? 45:40 Three solutions for racial progress This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit blog.joelonsdale.com

Subscribe to Inside Call me Back . ____ Subscribe to Ark News Daily ____ Can the Black-Jewish alliance be repaired, or is it irreparable? Coleman Hughes, host of The Coleman Hughes Show at The Free Press and author of The End of Race Politics, joins Dan to trace the history of one of America’s most important political coalitions, and how it began to unravel. He looks at the forces behind that shift, from old neighborhood tensions and the Nation of Islam to campus politics and a worldview that treats America and the West as uniquely guilty. And - if the old alliance cannot simply be recreated, what would a healthier path forward actually require? Coleman's essay on Sapir: https://sapirjournal.org/friends-and-foes/2024/black-radicalism/ Coleman's Book: https://www.amazon.com/End-Race-Politics-Arguments-Colorblind/dp/0593332458 Coleman's podcast: https://www.thefp.com/listen/conversations-with-coleman In this episode: - How Black and Jewish Americans became allies - The tensions inside the civil rights alliance - James Baldwin’s theory of Black antisemitism - Why Baldwin’s explanation falls short - Nation of Islam, Farrakhan, and hip-hop - Jewish success and the resentment problem - October 7th and the campus view of Israel - BLM, allyship, and whether repair is possible More Ark Media: Want to join Ark Media ? Check out our careers page for new openings . Explore Israel Votes Listen to For Heaven's Sake Listen to What’s Your Number? Watch Call me Back on YouTube Newsletters | Ark Media | Amit Segal | Nadav Eyal Instagram | Ark Media | Dan X | Dan Dan Senor & Saul Singer’s book, The Genius of Israel Get in touch Credits: Ilan Benatar, Brittany Cohen, Ava Weiner, Martin Huergo, Mariangeles Burgos, and Yuval Semo

Subscribe to Inside Call me Back . ____ Subscribe to Ark News Daily ____ Can the Black-Jewish alliance be repaired, or is it irreparable? Coleman Hughes, host of The Coleman Hughes Show at The Free Press and author of The End of Race Politics, joins Dan to trace the history of one of America’s most important political coalitions, and how it began to unravel. He looks at the forces behind that shift, from old neighborhood tensions and the Nation of Islam to campus politics and a worldview that treats America and the West as uniquely guilty. And - if the old alliance cannot simply be recreated, what would a healthier path forward actually require? Coleman's essay on Sapir: https://sapirjournal.org/friends-and-foes/2024/black-radicalism/ Coleman's Book: https://www.amazon.com/End-Race-Politics-Arguments-Colorblind/dp/0593332458 Coleman's podcast: https://www.thefp.com/listen/conversations-with-coleman In this episode: - How Black and Jewish Americans became allies - The tensions inside the civil rights alliance - James Baldwin’s theory of Black antisemitism - Why Baldwin’s explanation falls short - Nation of Islam, Farrakhan, and hip-hop - Jewish success and the resentment problem - October 7th and the campus view of Israel - BLM, allyship, and whether repair is possible More Ark Media: Want to join Ark Media ? Check out our careers page for new openings . Explore Israel Votes Listen to For Heaven's Sake Listen to What’s Your Number? Watch Call me Back on YouTube Newsletters | Ark Media | Amit Segal | Nadav Eyal Instagram | Ark Media | Dan X | Dan Dan Senor & Saul Singer’s book, The Genius of Israel Get in touch Credits: Ilan Benatar, Brittany Cohen, Ava Weiner, Martin Huergo, Mariangeles Burgos, and Yuval Semo

Glenn Greenwald joins the show to debate a hotly contested topic: Does Israel influence U.S. policy? Coleman and Glenn examine competing claims about the power of the Israel lobby and whether it played a role in the path to war with Iran. They discuss Iran’s nuclear ambitions, the case for or against regime change, and how these questions shape American foreign policy in the Middle East. The conversation also turns to free speech on college campuses after October 7 and the boundaries between criticism of Israel and antisemitism. Finally, Coleman presses Glenn on his alliance with Tucker Carlson and the responsibilities of independent media. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Sam Harris joins Coleman Hughes for a sweeping conversation about the biggest risks facing humanity. They unpack the ethical and strategic dilemmas of a potential Iran conflict, the dangers of jihadist ideology paired with nuclear capability, and the persistent confusion around anti-Zionism and antisemitism. We also talk about the Epstein files, the conspiracies ruling the internet, Gavin Newsom, and the declining birth rate. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

James Hankins is a Renaissance historian, longtime Harvard professor, and co-author of The Golden Thread: A History of the Western Tradition . In this conversation with Coleman Hughes, he explains why he recently left Harvard, after nearly four decades, and why he believes the study of Western civilization has quietly disappeared from American education. Hankins argues that if students want to understand ideas like free speech, equality, and the rule of law, they need to know the long history story behind them—from ancient Greece and Rome through Christianity and the Enlightenment to the modern world. Along the way, he reflects on the controversy surrounding the Western canon, the debate over “dead white men,” and the question of whether a shared civilizational story is still possible in a pluralistic society. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America by Coleman Hughes --- Exploring Coleman Hughes’s new book, The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America , Jesan Sorrells and Dorollo Nixon, Jr. examine how generational shifts challenge old narratives around race and victimhood. They discuss the historical roots of colorblindness, the rise of neo-racism in elite institutions, and practical solutions for leaders navigating race politics in 21st-century America. The episode tackles nuanced distinctions between race and ethnicity, confronts ideological shifts, and proposes actionable ideas for a united future. Book Title: The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America Author: Coleman Hughes Guests: Jesan Sorrells and Dorollo Nixon, Jr. --- Time Stamped Overview --- 00:00 "Leadership Lessons: Exploring Race & Identity" 18:01 "What Will You Do Next?" 21:48 "Race: Meaning, History, and Impact" 41:05 "Attending a Preschool Party." 44:28 "Critique of Corporate Cultural Messaging." 59:53 "Freedom, Identity, and Worldview Shift." 01:04:23 "Dorollo's Deep Passion for Genealogy." 01:22:03 "Neo-Racism and Elite Institutions." 01:25:23 "Challenging Narratives: Neoracism and Truth." 01:41:19 "Reevaluating Tenure and Academic Roles." 01:51:35 "America's Crossroads: Racism and Reform." 01:57:51 "Redefining African American Identity in the 21st Century." --- Opening theme composed by Brian Sanyshyn of Brian Sanyshyn Music . --- Pick up your copy of 12 Rules for Leaders: The Foundation of Intentional Leadership NOW on AMAZON ! Check out the Leadership Lessons From the Great Books podcast reading list! --- ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Come join a live taping of this podcast with special guests Ambassador Andrew Young and acclaimed Martin Luther King Jr. biographer Jonathan Eig to discuss: ‘Nonviolence in a Violent Age’. WHEN: March 9 WHERE: Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta—the church led by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. WHO: Coleman will be joined by Andrew Young, a civil rights pioneer and former United Nations ambassador who marched alongside King, as well as Jonathan Eig, whose best-selling book, King: A Life , won the 2024 Pulitzer Prize. --- Get your tickets here . More information here . Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In a world where AI can recreate our voices, half the internet thinks the moon landing was staged, and every group chat has a cousin who’s “just asking questions,” the perceived line between fact and fantasy has never been blurrier. On February 9 at the Comedy Cellar in NYC, Coleman Hughes will sit down with Michael Shermer—historian of science and author of Truth: What It Is, How to Find It & Why It Still Matters—for a live conversation. Together they’ll dig into why smart people believe strange things—from conspiracy theories and moral panics to post-truth politics—and how skepticism, evidence, and reason can still help us figure out what’s actually real. Is truth the only antidote to our world of cynicism and confusion? After the conversation, we’ll head to a nearby bar for an informal meetup with Michael, Coleman, and fellow Free Pressers for drinks, discussion, and the rare pleasure of arguing in good faith. (Location will be shared with ticket holders only.) This New York City event is intentionally intimate and will sell out quickly. Don’t delay. --- February 9, 2026 6:00pm1 Comedy Cellar @ 30 West 3rd Street, NY, NY, 10012 --- Tickets are here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

My producer Poppy Damon and I are back for another Ask Me Anything. In this bonus episode, I answer your questions on President Donald Trump and the attention economy, declining birth rates, psychedelics and mental health, AI and the future of work, social media and kids, religion, meritocracy, and more. As 2025 wraps up, it felt like a good moment to step back, take stock, and talk through the questions many of you have been thinking about. Thanks for listening this year—and here’s to more Conversations like this one in the year ahead. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Subscribe to Heretics Clips here 👉 https://www.youtube.com/@hereticsclips/videos Is Black Lives Matter’s push for slavery reparations built on flawed logic? Philosopher, author, and commentator Coleman Hughes joins Heretics to break down why he believes the movement’s reparations plan is misguided — and why, in his view, it could have dangerous long-term consequences for society. In this candid and thought-provoking conversation, Coleman explains why it makes little sense to hold present-day citizens financially accountable for historical wrongs committed long before they were born. Drawing from history, philosophy, and economics, he dismantles the arguments in favour of reparations and asks the uncomfortable questions few are willing to raise. We explore: The key flaws in Black Lives Matter’s reparations plan Why collective punishment based on ancestry sets a dangerous precedent How the debate over reparations distracts from more urgent racial justice reforms The economic and political consequences of implementing reparations in the US What future generations might think of today’s political climate and decisions Why nuance is often lost in the public conversation around race and history 💥 This isn’t just about one policy proposal — it’s about how societies remember history, assign moral responsibility, and strive for justice without creating new divisions. Whether you agree with Coleman or not, his arguments challenge the assumptions driving one of the most polarising debates of our time. 👉 Could reparations create more division instead of healing past wounds? 👉 Are we at risk of rewriting the rules of fairness for political gain? 👉 And what would a more constructive path toward racial justice look like? Coleman’s take is direct, unapologetic, and grounded in principles that go beyond political tribalism. This is a must-watch for anyone interested in honest, open debate on the future of race relations in America. 📺 Watch the full episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhXwiu02T68 If you value free speech, challenging ideas, and in-depth conversations with leading thinkers, subscribe now to Heretics Clips and never miss an episode. #ColemanHughes #BlackLivesMatter #Reparations #HereticsPodcast #RaceDebate #FreeSpeech #PoliticalPhilosophy #RaceRelations #JusticeDebate #HereticsClips Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

My guest today is Coleman Hughes — one of the most interesting voices in the American debate about race and identity. His book The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a colorblind America ( Thesis 2024 ) has just been translated into Swedish under the title Färgblind – en strävan bortom raspolitik ( NoPolar ). We talk about what colorblindness really means — and why Hughes believes it’s the only way out of race-based politics. We talk about Black Lives Matter , about how myths can turn into truths when they’re repeated often enough, and about Martin Luther King’s legacy — what he actually stood for. We also talk abou t culture — about jazz and authenticity, about beauty and representation — and why some forms of antiracism have ended up becoming racist in practice. Follow: Coleman Hughes Follow his Substack: Coleman’s Corner Coleman Hughes on X: @coldxman Buy his new book in Swedish here: Färgblind – en strävan bortom raspolitik Oberoende endast tack vare er Vi är nu över 25 000 prenumeranter här – och antalet växer stadigt. Rak höger med Ivar Arpi och Under all kritik ligger båda konsekvent på topp-20 bland nyhetspoddar i Sverige. Det är helt och hållet er förtjänst – tack för det! Skillnaden mot de flesta andra på topplistan är tydlig: medan de har public service-miljarder eller stora tidningshus med presstöd och annonsintäkter i ryggen, så har vi bara er. Konkurrensen är snedvriden, men ni har visat att det går att bygga något nytt. Vi är helt självständiga – tack vare er. Som ni märkt har vi nu tagit nästa steg med en videosatsning, som kommer ge ännu mer innehåll för betalande prenumeranter framöver. Redan i dag får du flera poddavsnitt i veckan – ofta med video – och minst en text, ibland fler. Vill du vara med och bygga vidare? Bli betalande prenumerant redan i dag och få 30 procents rabatt! Den som vill stötta oss på andra sätt än genom en prenumeration får gärna göra det med Swish, Plusgiro, Bankgiro, Paypal eller Donorbox . Swishnummer: 123-027 60 89 Plusgiro: 198 08 62-5 Bankgiro: 5808-1837 Utgivaren ansvarar inte för kommentarsfältet. (Myndigheten för press, radio och tv (MPRT) vill att jag skriver ovanstående för att visa att det inte är jag, utan den som kommenterar, som ansvarar för innehållet i det som skrivs i kommentarsfältet.) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.enrakhoger.se

After a short break, Ami and Michael return with a marathon conversation catching up on everything we missed—from the end of the war and the hostages’ return, to Trump’s visit to Israel, the Coleman Hughes vs. Dave Smith debate, the fractures inside the right, and the latest media shake-ups. Recorded fresh off Ami’s trip to Israel, this episode is a major breakdown of everything we missed!00:00–02:00 — We’re Back (Where the hell were we?_02:01–07:00 — Ami’s Israel Trip07:01–15:00 — Hostages Home: Why don't we feel okay?15:01–19:00 — Bibi & Trump: How History Will Remember This19:01–23:00 — What the Ceasfire-Now camp is saying post-peace plan23:01–29:00 — Coleman hughes vs. Dave Smith29:01–43:00 — Ezra Klein, Ta-Nehisi Coates... and Tim Dillon?43:01–56:00 — Unite The Right Groupchat + Daily Wire/Matt Walsh Schism 56:01–62:00 — Dave Smith + Nick Fuentes Interview62:01–73:00 — Barry Weiss Sells The Free Press to Paramount73:01–79:00 — Riyadh Comedy Festival79:01–82:00 — Austin Comedy Scene Infighting82:01–84:00 — Big ep coming soon for Ami's House

Adam Haman returns to first comment on the recent Nick Fuentes rehabilitation tour, and then the main event: Analyzing the Coleman Hughes vs. Dave Smith debate. Mentioned in the Episode and Other Links of Interest: The YouTube version of this conversation. Coleman Hughes vs. Dave Smith . Dave Smith responds to the "seven countries in five years" challenge. This episode’s sponsor, The Swan Brothers . BMS ep 95 with Tareq Haddad on the OPCW Syria scandal. The HamanNature substack . Help support the Bob Murphy Show.

Adam Haman and economist Bob Murphy are back with another clip show! What’s with the softball interviews Dave Smith and Glenn Greenwald gave Nick Fuentes? What are all the players trying to do? Also, Coleman Hughes gave Dave Smith his toughest debate on Israel/Gaza to date, but still came up short. Adam and Bob cover the blow-by-blow. Enjoy! 00:00 — Intro. It’s another clip show! Faith and begorrah! 02:21 — Clip 1: A sample of Glenn Greenwald’s interview of Nick Fuentes on System Update. 09:44 — Clip 2: A sample from Nick Fuentes’s show America First from earlier this year. Beware: this is ridiculously offensive language. We bleeped it, but still. 15:38 — Adam and Bob react to those two clips, plus Fuentes’s appearance on Dave Smith’s Part of the Problem. 34:58 — Now let’s talk about something uncontroversial, the Israel/Gaza issue and the debate between Dave Smith and Coleman Hughes on the matter. 37:50 — Clip 3: Does war spending “matter”? Does it cause inflation or harm us in other ways? 47:09 — Clip 4: Is military non-interventionism dangerous? Wouldn’t other Great Powers “take over”? 56:35 — Clip 5: Why worry about “The Israel Lobby”? Does it really impact US foreign policy? 1:06:23 — Clip 6: Does General Wesley Clark even know what he’s talking about? Memo? Pfft... who cares about memos? 1:22:15 — Coleman’s tweet about seeming anti-Israel hypocrisy. 1:35:13 — Outro. Thanks for watching Haman Nature! Sponsor mentioned: https://theswanbrothers.com/cross Video mentioned: Video mentioned: Dave Smith remarks on the Hughes debate & the Clark memo: Bob Murphy Show episode about Syrian chemical attacks mentioned : Adam on X: @Rerazer Bob on X: @BobMurphyEcon The Bob Murphy Show : Adam’s other podcast: Natural Order Podcast This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit hamannature.substack.com/subscribe

Coleman Hughes is a thinker, writer, podcaster, and author. You may know him from his Conversations with Coleman podcast with The Free Press , from appearances on CNN, Joe Rogan, and The View , or from his recent book, in which he argues that America should strive toward colorblindness, treating people and designing public policy without regard to race. In addition to that, what interests us is that he’s an independent, unorthodox voice—someone who doesn’t follow the political script his critics assume he should. That speaks to something we think about a lot here: too often, we take our cues from our “side” and stick to the script, seeking approval from our team, instead of engaging with compelling versions of an opposing view. That dynamic can be just as true among public health institutions as it is among supporters of MAHA. So today, we ask Coleman: What has he learned from being that unorthodox voice—challenging the side that thought he was one of their own? And, ultimately, how does he think we can bridge divides and rebuild trust? Hosts: Brinda Adhikari Tom Johnson Maggie Bartlett Dr. Mark Abdelmalek Guest: Coleman Hughes, host of Conversations with Coleman produced by the Free Press; author, The End of Race Politics: The Argument for a Colorblind America Thanks for listening! If you like us, please leave a review, rate us, and please subscribe! Got questions? Comments? We'd love to hear from you! Email us at questions@whyshoulditrustyou.net

How do the ideas of the civil rights movement differ from the ideas put forward in critical race theory? Why has the Black Lives Matter movement had such a big impact? And what is the best way to create conditions for good relations between social groups with different backgrounds? These are questions that we discuss in this week's episode of Hotspot. Guest in this episode is Coleman Hughes, author, podcast host and visiting professor at the University of Austin. Recommended reading:”The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America”, Coleman Hughes (Thesis)Hotspot is a conversation podcast about faith, culture and society. The show is hosted by Marco Strömberg and produced by Sverigekanalen and Världen idag. - - - Hur skiljer sig medborgarrättsrörelsen tankar jämfört med de idéer som förs fram i kritisk rasteori? Varför har Black Lives Matter-rörelsen haft så stort genomslag? Och vilket är det bästa sättet att skapa förutsättningar för goda relationer mellan samhällsgrupper med olika bakgrund? Det är frågor som vi samtalar om i veckans Hotspot. Gäst i programmet är Coleman Hughes som är författare, podcastvärd och gästprofessor vid universitet i Austin. Lästips:”Färgblind – En strävan bortom raspolitik”, Coleman Hughes (Nopolar Publishing) - - - Se programmet på Youtube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@varldenidagplay⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Vill du hjälpa oss att göra fler program? Stöd gärna vårt arbete genom att swisha en gåva till: 123 396 94 17 Prova Världen idag en månad gratis: ⁠⁠⁠https://prova.varldenidag.se

Coleman Hughes är en amerikansk författare och politisk kommentator känd för sina analyser av ras, identitetspolitik och amerikansk kultur. Just nu är han Sverigeaktuell med boken Färgblind – En strävan bortom raspolitik . Efter utbildning i filosofi vid Columbia University slog han igenom som skribent och har publicerat i The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, National Review, The Spectator med flera. Hughes har vittnat inför USA:s kongress i frågor som rör ras och ersättningar för slaveriet och är en ofta inbjuden kommentator i amerikansk media, inklusive CNN, Fox News och MSNBC. Han leder även den populära podden Conversations with Coleman , där han intervjuar tänkare och kulturpersonligheter i djupa samtal om politik, moral och idéhistoria. OBS. Hela avsnittet är 2 tim 28 min långt. Vill du få tillgång till alla hela avsnitt? Bli medlem på Sista Måltiden . Som medlem får du tillgång till alla nya och gamla avsnitt i sin helhet och utan reklam. Lyssna i valfri podcast-app, inklusive Spotify. Enkelt att komma igång. Ingen bindningstid. Tryck här för att bli medlem eller gå in på https://sistamaltiden.se . Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Coleman Hughes är en amerikansk författare och politisk kommentator känd för sina analyser av ras, identitetspolitik och amerikansk kultur. Just nu är han Sverigeaktuell med boken Färgblind – En strävan bortom raspolitik . Efter utbildning i filosofi vid Columbia University slog han igenom som skribent och har publicerat i The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, National Review, The Spectator med flera. Hughes har vittnat inför USA:s kongress i frågor som rör ras och ersättningar för slaveriet och är en ofta inbjuden kommentator i amerikansk media, inklusive CNN, Fox News och MSNBC. Han leder även den populära podden Conversations with Coleman , där han intervjuar tänkare och kulturpersonligheter i djupa samtal om politik, moral och idéhistoria. Tack för att du är medlem! 💛

For our first English-language episode, Thabo Motsieloa sits down with Coleman Hughes—writer, podcaster, and one of America’s most talked-about young intellectuals. Hughes is the author of The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America —a book hailed by some, criticized by others, and now released in Swedish as Colorblind . He has appeared on some of the world’s biggest platforms, from Real Time with Bill Maher and The View to The Joe Rogan Experience and Making Sense with Sam Harris , earning both admiration and criticism for his unapologetic arguments. Beyond his writing and commentary, Hughes is also an accomplished jazz musician, adding yet another layer to his unique voice in the public debate. In this conversation, Hughes and Motsieloa take on some of the most pressing—and polarizing—questions of our time: Why the modern “woke” movement, in Hughes’ view, has become a form of racism . The truth about police violence and crime statistics—and why the data tells a more complicated story. Please support us by sharing this episode!