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Follow Kevin Kelly— it's freeSend a love message Andrea sits down with Kevin Kelly, a true pioneer in the world of technology and futurism. Known for his foundational work with Whole Earth, Wired Magazine and definitive pieces like '1000 True Fans,' Kelly shares insights from his early fascination with science fiction to his groundbreaking contributions in understanding and shaping the digital age and technological ideas. They discuss the profound influence of science fiction on technological advancements, the humanizing impact of the internet, and the vital importance of travel and curiosity for finding meaning. Kelly explains the nuanced continuum between biology and technology, the concept of 'hill making' versus 'hill climbing' in innovation, and how love and community remain central to his work. As they delve into Kelly's latest book 'Excellent Advice for Living,' this conversation offers rich perspectives on maintaining creativity, embracing complexity, and fostering an optimistic outlook in an ever-evolving world. 00:00 Introduction and Early Influences 00:05 The Role of Science Fiction in Shaping Technology 01:58 Discovering the Internet as a New Frontier 04:30 Welcome to Love and Philosophy 04:36 Kevin Kelly's Background and Achievements 09:30 Early Encounters with Computers 14:28 The Humanizing Effect of the Internet 17:42 Meeting Stewart Brand and the Whole Earth Catalog 28:01 The Importance of Travel and Broader Perspectives 33:38 The Transformative Power of Travel 34:37 Embracing Unique Paths in Life 35:47 The Value of Time Over Money 40:16 The Birth of Artificial Life and Wired Magazine 46:34 The Paradox of Progress and Creativity 53:38 The Importance of Noticing and Small Steps 01:01:33 Hill Making vs. Hill Climbing 01:02:59 Final Thoughts on Love and Life Excellent Advice for Living Kevin Kelly on Substack https://kk.org/ Stewart Brand Whole Earth Catalogue and Whole Earth Review the WELL WIRED Magazine Sign up for the Newsletter LinkedIn Full intro and notes here . Care is not the opposite of love. It is the very urge of life. 'Caring for what?' is the primary question. That we have a choice about what we care for and how is what makes us human, but it's quite the challenge and responsibility. Let's help one another handle it. Support the show Buy Holding Paradox: The Navigational Approach to Mind and Consciousness by Andrea Hiott Sign up for Making Ways newsletter and projects. Please rate and review with love. YouTube , Facebook , Instagram , Substack .
In this thought-provoking episode, Jim speaks with Kevin Kelly, Senior Maverick at Wired and author of numerous influential books including "Excellent Advice for Living" and co-founder of the Long Now Foundation. Kevin shares his wisdom on emerging technology, the danger of “Thinkism,” why adoption lags behind innovation, and how AI is reshaping work, creativity, and human connection. From the evolution of “digital” to the future emotional bonds we’ll form with AI, Kevin offers grounded optimism and timeless advice: in a world of constant change, mastering how we learn is the best survival skill Thank you for listening! You can also watch the episode: https://www.youtube.com/@perficient/podcasts Have a question for Jim? AMA - submit questions: podcast@perficient.com FOLLOW JIM https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimhertzfeld/ https://x.com/jimhertzfeld FOLLOW PERFICIENT: https://www.perficient.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/perficient/posts/?feedView=all https://www.instagram.com/perficient/
Linda McMahon is set to take over the Department of Education?! 🤯 Kevin Kelly & Casey Thompson break down her Congressional hearing, the McMahon family's role, and the surprising absence of Vince McMahon!💼 Did Vince’s Federal Case Disappear Right Before Linda’s Testimony?🏛 Triple H, Shane & Stephanie McMahon – Real Support or Just for Show?🔥 Did Vince & Tony Khan Meet at the Super Bowl?📚 Could Wrestling Influence the Future of Education?!PLUS: Insider stories on Undertaker’s stance on Vince, the McMahon family dynamic, and what this political move could mean for wrestling!💥 LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for More Wrestling News & Behind-the-Scenes Stories! 🎤🔥 #McMahon #LindaMcMahon #WrestlingPodcast #WWENews #VinceMcMahon
Bob Cook joins Kevin Kelly and Casey Thompson on the In-Ring Wrestling Podcast to share incredible stories from his time in professional wrestling. Known for having one of the greatest punches in wrestling, Bob talks about his philosophy on wrestling psychology, working with legends like Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes, and why the art of throwing a punch is a lost skill in today’s wrestling. Don’t miss this deep dive into wrestling history with one of the most respected veterans in the business.Timestamps:0:00 – Introduction to Bob Cook2:12 – The Origin of Bob Cook’s Legendary Punch5:35 – Training Under The Great Malenko10:22 – Why Bob Cook Hates the Term "Enhancement Talent"15:08 – Stories from WCW: Working with Dusty Rhodes & Terry Funk22:44 – The Lost Art of Throwing a Great Punch in Wrestling30:12 – Road Stories with Kevin Sullivan & Blackjack Mulligan40:05 – What’s Wrong with Modern Wrestling Psychology?50:48 – Bob Cook on His Wrestling School and Teaching Philosophy1:05:10 – Bob’s Favorite Opponents and Matches1:10:35 – The Importance of Honoring Wrestling’s History1:12:00 – Closing Thoughts & Upcoming Projects#BobCook #WrestlingPodcast #ProWrestling #WCW #TerryFunk #DustyRhodes #WrestlingHistory #InRingWrestlingPodcast #WrestlingPsychology #OldSchoolWrestling
What’s it really like behind the curtain at AEW? Kevin Kelly gives an inside look at the locker room, production team, and the talent he worked with. While AEW has a roster of top stars and a talented crew, not everything runs smoothly. From working with legends like Billy Gunn to sharing the reality of AEW’s backstage culture, Kevin and Casey give fans a candid breakdown of what’s really going on.
🔥 Royal Rumble 2025 was INSANE! 🔥 Kevin Kelly & Casey Thompson break down ALL the chaos from one of WWE's wildest events ever. From Jey Uso’s SHOCKING victory over John Cena to the brutal Cody Rhodes vs. Kevin Owens ladder match—this episode pulls no punches! ⚠️ Kevin Kelly couldn’t even watch the ladder match! Why? Because it was THAT dangerous. We're talking about the terrifying Alabama Slam on a ladder that left Kevin Owens wrecked. Cody’s relentless drive? Unbelievable. 👊 Plus: Why Jey Uso’s win is a MAJOR game-changer The SCARIEST spot of the night (and Kevin’s real-time reaction) Cody Rhodes pushing his body beyond limits The BIGGEST crowd pops—Stone Cold, The Rock, Undertaker WrestleMania 41 predictions & what’s next for the Bloodline 🎯 Your Thoughts Matter: Who had the BEST moment of the Rumble? Did Cody & KO go TOO FAR? 👇 COMMENT BELOW 👇 🔔 Don’t forget to LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, and TURN ON NOTIFICATIONS for more wrestling breakdowns, behind-the-scenes stories, and in-depth analysis from the In-Ring Wrestling Podcast! #RoyalRumble2025 #CodyRhodes #KevinOwens #JeyUso #WWE #WrestleMania41 #InRingPodcast
When AEW's Tony Khan heard Chris Charlton's commentary during a New Japan Pro Wrestling event, he reportedly couldn't resist texting and complaining about the criticism. The comments, which reflected a wrestler's kayfabe perspective, were taken personally by Khan, leading to repercussions for Charlton. This raises the question: is this the kind of behavior fans and employees should expect from AEW's public face? In this segment, Kevin Kelly and Casey Thompson dissect the situation, highlighting how a leader's thin skin can reflect poorly on an organization. They explore the differences between WWE's Vince McMahon, who embraced being called out for business, and Tony Khan's overly reactive approach. Could Tony Khan’s sensitivity ultimately damage AEW’s credibility as a competitor to WWE, or is this just another chapter in the high-stakes world of pro wrestling? Tune in to hear the full breakdown and what this could mean for AEW moving forward.
Who had the toughest roster during the iconic Attitude Era? On this episode of the In Ring Wrestling Podcast, Kevin Kelly and Casey Thompson dive deep into the legendary tough guys of WCW. From The Barbarian to Haku, Casey reveals his Top 5 toughest wrestlers from the era, recounting wild stories of in-ring intensity, bar brawls, and locker room legends. Hear untold stories about Ravishing Rick Rude’s infamous Minnesota crew, the iron grip of Mr. Wonderful Paul Orndorff, and the chaos that made Haku the toughest man in wrestling history. Plus, Kevin shares personal anecdotes, from meeting Mr. Hughes to remembering the unforgettable moments of Dirty Dick Slater. Stay tuned to vote on who you think had the tougher roster—WCW or WWF—and let us know if your favorites made the cut! Takeaways: The Barbarian’s unmatched physical toughness. Dirty Dick Slater’s no-nonsense approach in and out of the ring. Rick Rude’s loyalty to his Minnesota roots and legendary toughness. Paul Orndorff’s legendary confrontation with Vader. Haku’s status as the toughest wrestler in history, both in the ring and the streets. Chapters: 00:00 – Introduction and WCW vs WWF Toughness Debate 04:45 – #5 08:15 – #4 13:00 – #3: 21:18 – #2: 35:37 – #1: the King of Toughness 39:52 – Honorable Mention: Harley Race’s Impact on Wrestling 40:22 – Kevin Previews Next Week’s WWF Tough Guy List
Join hosts Kevin Kelly and Casey Thompson as they take you on a journey through the world of professional wrestling! From their time in WCW to the evolution of the wrestling industry, this episode is packed with unforgettable stories, insights, and reflections. 🚨 Highlights in This Episode: 🎭 Behind-the-scenes dynamics of WCW – the good, the bad, and the brutal. 💪 The role of enhancement talent in shaping wrestling shows. 🩸 The art of 'color' (blading) and its controversial history in wrestling. 📽️ How wrestling production has evolved in the age of streaming. 🌟 Nostalgic tales of legends like Black Bart and memorable pay-per-view experiences. 🤔 Reflections on storytelling, career longevity, and the future of wrestling promotions. 📅 Chapters: 0:00 - Introduction to Wrestling Stories 2:40 - Behind the Scenes in WCW 5:30 - Tales of Locker Room Drama 9:46 - The Art of 'Color' in Wrestling 18:22 - Memories of Black Bart and Wrestling History 21:47 - Upcoming Guests and Future Topics 22:58 - The Royal Rumble and Pay-Per-View Experiences 29:16 - The Evolution of Wrestling Production 40:03 - Streaming and the Future of Wrestling Promotions 49:57 - Reflections on Wrestling Memories and Connections 🛑 Takeaways from the Episode: WCW's backstage environment was complex and intense. Enhancement talent were unsung heroes in wrestling's success. The history of 'color' in matches highlights wrestling's gritty reality. Streaming is reshaping how we experience wrestling today. Wrestling storytelling remains at the heart of the sport's longevity. 💥 Don’t miss our upcoming guest Bob Cook, a legendary enhancement talent with stories you won't want to miss! 📲 Follow Us: 📺 YouTube | 🎧 Spotify | 🍎 Apple Podcasts 💬 Leave your questions in the comments for our next guest! 🎥 Subscribe for more behind-the-scenes wrestling stories and insights. #Wrestling #WCW #WrestlingStories #Streaming #WrestlingLegends #EnhancementTalent
Who was the Repo Man? In this explosive episode of the In-Ring Wrestling Podcast, Kevin Kelly and Casey Thompson unravel the untold story of Nasty Ned Brady, his infamous Repo Man gimmick, and the unexpected twist that brought Barry Darsow into the picture. Nasty Ned Brady’s Break: How a promising character created for Ned turned into WWF's Repo Man—and the fallout that followed. Nasty Ronnie’s Role: Did the Tampa manager play a part in the shocking transition of the Repo Man gimmick to Barry Darsow? Kevin and Casey dissect the backstage drama. From Repossessor to Redemption: Learn how Nasty Ned pivoted, renamed himself, and kept fighting to make his mark in professional wrestling. This week’s deep dive is packed with insider stories, including: Wrestling vignettes filmed at Universal Studios. How WCW’s Florida tapings shaped wrestling careers. The camaraderie and conflicts in Florida’s wrestling scene. 💬 Have thoughts about Repo Man, Nasty Ned Brady, or Nasty Ronnie? Share your take in the comments! 0:00 - Introduction Kevin Kelly and Casey Thompson kick off the episode with updates and banter about the life of enhancement wrestlers. 2:15 - Who is Nasty Ned Brady? Casey recounts his early memories of Nasty Ned Brady and his journey in Florida wrestling. 5:21 - The Repo Man Origin Story Kevin shares the shocking story of how Nasty Ned’s “Repo Man” gimmick was transformed into a WWF sensation with Barry Darsow. 8:44 - The Role of Nasty Ronnie The duo dives into Nasty Ronnie’s alleged backstage dealings and their impact on Ned’s career trajectory. 12:05 - Universal Studios Tapings Behind-the-scenes stories from the IWF and WCW tapings at Universal Studios, including filming vignettes and Ned’s evolution to “The Repossessor.” 16:10 - Barry Darsow’s Repo Man Casey and Kevin analyze Barry Darsow’s portrayal of the Repo Man and how it was lifted from the IWF concept. 19:38 - Florida Wrestling in the Early 90s How the closure of Florida Championship Wrestling changed the local wrestling scene and the opportunities for enhancement talent. 24:50 - Ned Brady’s Legacy Kevin and Casey reflect on Nasty Ned Brady’s career, his resilience, and the lessons he left behind. 29:00 - Final Thoughts and Next Week’s Tease Casey hints at upcoming stories, including his memories of Sid Vicious and more backstage WCW tales. 🎧 Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts to stay connected with the world of wrestling’s untold stories.
The mental struggles of professional wrestling take center stage in this episode of the In-Ring Wrestling Podcast. From the relentless grind of the road to the sacrifices wrestlers make in pursuit of their dreams, Kevin Kelly and Casey Thompson pull back the curtain on the emotional toll of life in the squared circle. Casey shares his deeply personal decision to walk away from wrestling to prioritize his family and mental well-being, while Kevin reflects on his own challenges during his time as an announcer. They also discuss how wrestlers coped with the pressures of the business and how the industry has evolved to address these issues. Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction: The relentless grind of professional wrestling. 2:32 - Casey on the struggles of getting bookings and staying relevant. 6:45 - Kevin’s story of moving to Connecticut and the toll it took on his family. 10:12 - The reality of never having a day off in wrestling. 15:03 - Casey recalls his breaking point and choosing family over wrestling. 18:40 - The mental toll of being away from loved ones and the fear of being replaced. 22:17 - Coping mechanisms: How wrestlers dealt with the pressures of the business. 26:30 - Kevin on learning to balance personal life and professional aspirations. 30:45 - Closing thoughts: Wrestling’s emotional toll and lessons learned.
"Wrestling might be scripted, but the injuries are as real as they get. Kevin Kelly and Casey Thompson share unfiltered stories of life-threatening moments in the ring – from broken bones to dislocated jaws. Calling wrestling ‘fake’? Think again. This episode is a hard-hitting reminder of the risks these athletes take every time they step into the ring. 💥 Watch now and discover why the term ‘fake’ doesn’t belong in wrestling! Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe. #WrestlingReality #ProWrestlingTruth #RespectTheAthletes" 00:00 Introduction and Early Conversations 02:46 The Impact of Vader in Wrestling 06:14 Injuries in Wrestling: Personal Experiences 09:01 Sid's Infamous Injury and Its Consequences 12:01 The Nature of Wrestling Rings and Bumps 15:04 The Art of Calling Matches in the Ring 17:46 Reflections on Classic Wrestling Matches 21:04 Injuries and Safety in Wrestling 23:49 The Respect and Dynamics in the Ring 27:06 Conclusion and Future Discussions